I'm convinced that most Christians in America are scared to death of unprotected church and that what North American churches have evolved into are nothing more than one big giant condom of protection so we can have safe church. We are so worried about sin tainted distractions that we have put up barriers between the church and the world to make sure we safely satisfy ourselves. And boy, are we satisfied.
We are so afraid of infection that we insist on having our own everything so that we can be in control. We won't join the community soup kitchen (unless of course it is run by a church) so we start our own. We won't join the community athletic leagues so we start our own. We won't send our kids to public schools so we start our own. We won't set foot in a bar so we start our own and call it a cafe, with no alcohol of course. We love safe church.
In the middle of all this we still talk about casting seed and hoping that some of it will land on fertile ground. Just so you know, those barriers work both ways.
Unprotected church, on the other hand, is wild and risky. You can end up battered, bruised, spat on, kicked around and betrayed not only by the world but even by those who you thought were your friends. It could kill you. Demographics are only used to find sinners so that you can live with them, not so you can avoid them. You don't root yourself to one location, you hit the streets. It is just not safe. But it is the only way you'll be able to plant a seed.
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10:02 AM
I often feel the same way you do. I recall a church that built a "Family Life Center". During the "vision casting" I remember the reference being made that many of their families used the area YMCA, but they wanted a place they could take their children with a nice Christian atmosphere. Personally I'd have bought the arguement that it was 10 miles away before the "holy huddle" argument.
But I guess I'm softening. Or perhaps I'm selling out. If someone can demonstrate to me that it is "entraprenurial" in nature, meeting a need that isn't currently being met, then I'm willing to pray about it and see if God's leading is in it.
But if it is duplication so we can say "its ours", I'm likely to be opposed to it.
11:35 AM
Your example is a good one precisely because you use the YMCA. It just boggles my mind when Christians undermine the Y instead of helping them.
9:59 PM
How do you be unprotected and opposed to sin at the same time? Are you suggesting that one takes primacy over the other?
2:51 PM
The activities I described in the 2nd paragraph of my post are what I believe are just as dangerous. We just don't recognize it. It stunts our growth as Christians but also gives people a false sense of holiness.
I also want to say something about your last question about "opposed to sin." As I already said, I think it is imperative that we live holy lives but people often see the phrase "opposed to sin" as a call to condemn. We memorize John 3:16 and never read John 3:17. We even like to say, "I'll be your friend but I want to be sure you know where I stand with regard to your lifestyle." I wish Christians would stop that and just show the world a transformed life.
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Blessings, Ben Tobias
11:35 AM
11:46 AM
Peace, Ben
9:25 AM
The only point here that I disagree with is sending your kids to public (or private for that matter) school. I realize that homeschooling is not for everyone, but from our perspective, sending the kids away everyday and giving someone else the responsibility for pouring into them (whatever brew they might be preparing for that purpose), is an abdication of our parental responsibility to groom them as wholehearted followers of Jesus. This is our conviction, though. YMMV.
9:19 AM
I recall vigorously discussing with someone at our previous church about sending our kids to private school versus public school. The final point the other guy made that I just didn't have an answer to was Am I willing to 'sacrifice my kids' in what they could be taught within public schools on my belief that we should't completely isolate ourselves and our kids from the world?
If we are always isolated from those that are not Christians, how will they know a changed life? The only thing they will "know" is the stuff they hear about, and that certainly isn't always the impression I would want to leave with those I know that aren't Christian...
Still, I don't see anything particularly wrong with family night like Ben commented on, or AWANA or teen groups or anything else. But what can be disheartening is when we won't get involved with others that have the same heart to serve - like a soup kitchen, school sports team, etc.
Just being out there in these organizations and relating personally with others IS planting seeds.
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